Gold background

[Dave London]

Can anyone please explain how this is done. Gold leaf or inlay thanks

 

[SamW]

I expect both are used Dave. In Alain's '12 GM class we used wire.

 

[Dave London]

Thanks Mr TOS

 

[dlilazteca]

Man i cant see the image

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[SamW]

Carlos, is this what you're wanting to see?

This is the start of the background inlay. I used a scribe to scratch in an undercut around each background area then a small chisel to kick up lines of teeth. I found I liked the look much better if the gold was shaded with stipple shading.

 

[fegarex]

Sam, I am looking forward to seeing this finished product! But then again all of your work amazes me. Awesome!

 

[Phil Coggan]

Here's some background shading that Sam mentioned.

 

[tdelewis]

Phil, That work is amazing!!

 

[John B.]

Can anyone please explain how this is done. Gold leaf or inlay thanks

Good morning Dave,
There is an excellent post on this subject in the "Tips Archive."
It is titled Gold Inlay by Alain Lovenberg.
Even has diagrams of his methods and the tools used.
Best of luck with your research.

 

[John B.]

Amazing sculpture and line work shading of the gold background.
Thank you for sharing it Phil.

 

[jerrywh]

Sam and Phil. You guys aren't human. I need to get some criptonite to deal with you two. Just when I get to thinking I.m good you guys come up with this stuff.

 

[Martin Strolz]

Alain explained it in detail here: http://www.engraverscafe.com/showth...lay-Alain-Lovenberg&highlight=Alain+Lovenberg

 

[Dave London]

Thanks everyone,you guys are the best. now I need to get to work

 

[jerrywh]

I'm not saying one way is better than the other but I do my gold background with gold sheet about .002 or .003 thick and use the single tooth method of attachment.

 

[SamW]

And it surely looks magnificent Jerry...that "criptonite" really shines!

 

[Donny]

I expect both are used Dave. In Alain's '12 GM class we used wire.

SamW,
During the class with Alan, can you say what gauge gold wire you all were using? and was it 24K?

Don

 

[Roger Bleile]

For those who may think that creating a gold overlaid background is something new or cutting edge, I offer two pictures of a wheellock pistol made in 1605 by Munich engraver Emanuel Sadeler. Emanuel, along with his brother Daniel are the earliest gun engravers that I know of by name. Their shop was active from 1594-1610. The third picture is detail of another wheellock engraved in 1610 for Maximilian I of Bavaria.

 

[Donny]

Roger,
I didn't think this was a new technique, only that it is somewhat new to me. Im only looking to add this to my skill set and was trying to determine how thick the gold layer might be. I am placing a gold/silver order with Rio Grande and just wanted take the opportunity to shorten my experimentation curve by asking here for some firsthand knowledge. If no one responds I will start with 26gauge and go from there and find my own way

Don

 

[jerrywh]

We have discussed this before on this forum. There are at least four ways that I have seen this done. Sam had described two of them, one with wire and one with teeth. I use the single tooth method my self because I think it is faster and can be used in tight corners more easily. Below is a copy of a previous one I posted using sheet gold and single teeth. It can be done using inlays but it is slow and harder in my opinion. I have seen some antique guns that were done using what appeared to be small gold BBs or pieces of wire installed as small dots. I finished mine by texturing with a dot punch. The gold is .003 to .002 thick. You cannot buy gold that thin from a regular supplier. I roll my own.

 

[SamW]

Don, I missed your question earlier. We were provided with gold wire that was, if I remember right .020" diameter. The background was taken back about .040" on mine...Alain goes even deeper...and once the wire is punched down it is maybe .010 or .012" so the depth of the engraving still is "deep".