Question: is this created using a liner?

[diane b]

I love the texture created on these earrings by Marco Bicego. Was this texture created using a very fine liner? At one point, there was a video that showed the engravers in the workshop working on the jewelry pieces, but it looked to me like the gravers they were using were bolino gravers, which doesn't make sense to me. However, I'm not that familiar with bolino gravers as I've never used them, just seen pictures of them. The lines are so parallel, I was thinking that to get that effect, one would need to use a liner. thanks for your help.
Diane b.

 

[mitch]

maybe/probably, but we'd need a sharp close-up photo to tell for sure.

 

[maplesm]

I have made silk like patterns using a pattern plate in a rolling mill. This gives a very fine texture
like these pieces. A closer photo would help

 

[John B.]

Very hard to tell from the pictures you posted.......at least on my screen.
But it looks more like a finish created using a rotary brush.
Maybe someone with more jewelry experience than me will chime in.

 

[Jahn Baker]

That looks to me to have been cut with a Florentine Cylinder Burr. Check with
www.ottofrei.com, I know they carry them in a couple different sizes and "cuts". Much faster, and easier to master than doing Florenitne finish with liner gravers. Good luck!

 

[diane b]

gentleman,
thank you so much for your responses. I wish I could get a better close up picture. I just had to do a copy/paste from images on the computer. When I tried to enlarge the pictures, they were out of focus and didn't give any better definition. I've never heard of a Florentine Cylinder Burr and will check it out. I'm going to play with the rotary brush, pattern plate and fine liner. I'll let you know how it goes. Thank you again for your time. Diane B

 

[Archie Woodworth]

I have made silk like patterns using a pattern plate in a rolling mill. This gives a very fine texture
like these pieces. A closer photo would help[/QUOTE
Rolling mill texture would be my guess too...

 

[Chujybear]

I would say this is a brush. Not the standard. There are ones where all the bristles seem like they are somewhat hinged. That’s the one.

 

[diane b]

Jahn, I looked up the Florentine Cylinder Burr - I see what you mean: it's kinda, sorta, but not really almost like a rotary liner. I can see how that would produce the texture in the metal. Chujybear, I don't know what kind of brush you are referring with hinged bristles. Can you post a picture of what you are describing. I found a better close up picture of the same texture on a ring. Does this help? I've looked at some of Marco Bicego pieces with a loop and there is some depth in these channels. When you GENTLY run your fingernail over the surface of the piece (the sales person REALLY loves it when you do that), you can subtly feel the click-click-click in the texture. Thank you everyone for taking the time to give me feedback. I really appreciate it. Diane B

 

[suf]

Hi Diane,

This is Florentine engraving, its done with liners though I think maybe originally it was done with a single point. It seems to be most popular in fine italian jewellery. I am also smitten with this technique and have researched it a bit. I feel like it could be used beautifully in more modern looking jewellery. Try image googling 'Florentine Style Engraving' and you'll get some pretty neat results. Sometimes they use parallel lines and sometimes crosshatched, it really looks like silk. I've seen classes/workshops taught in the US, but nowhere near me.

Hope this helps!
Su

 

[diane b]

Dear Su,
Wow! thank you so much. I just did an internet search for Florentine Style Engraving. This is quite a diverse style of engraving with the above texture one the styles. I really appreciate your information. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question. Diane B

 

[suf]

Hi Diane, you are most welcome

I should have said its also called a 'Florentine Finish' and recently someone I follow on instagram (@johnnyoro) posted a really good video showing how its done- not sure if this link will work but easy to look it up-
Johnnyoroinstagramflorentinefinish
He's using an 8-6 liner- I asked!

Cheers!

 

[diane b]

Dear Su,
Thank you for the link. I just watched the video - yep, that's the finish. Very cool!

 

[johnnyoro]

This thread popped up as I was looking for something else. I am JohnnyOro on Instagram aka John Sorich IV. Marco Bicego does indeed use fine liner gravers to achieve that finish. I know because I was lucky enough to tour their facility in 2016 when I was living in Vicenza their workshop is in a small town west of Vicenza called Trissino. They had four hand engravers working like mad with their hands holding the pieces they were engraving against wooden bench pegs. The word “graver” in Italian translates to “bulino” which means a particular style of engraving IN THE ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES. But for the Italians they just call gravers “bulino” and the liner graver is called “mille righe” which translates to “a thousand lines”.
I hope that all this information is helpful to those looking years later!

 

[dhall]

This thread popped up as I was looking for something else. I am JohnnyOro on Instagram aka John Sorich IV. Marco Bicego does indeed use fine liner gravers to achieve that finish. I know because I was lucky enough to tour their facility in 2016 when I was living in Vicenza their workshop is in a small town west of Vicenza called Trissino. They had four hand engravers working like mad with their hands holding the pieces they were engraving against wooden bench pegs. The word “graver” in Italian translates to “bulino” which means a particular style of engraving IN THE ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES. But for the Italians they just call gravers “bulino” and the liner graver is called “mille righe” which translates to “a thousand lines”.
I hope that all this information is helpful to those looking years later!

johnnyoro, FTW!

 

[diane b]

Dear Johnnyoro,
Thank you so much for your thorough explanation. I read somewhere that the texture was created with a bulino graver, but since I only know a bulino graver from bulino engraving, it didn't seem reasonable that they were using a graver that produces bulino engraving. NOW, I understand. I just saw your response to may question as I haven't been on this site for a few months. I follow your work on instagram, and would love to take a class from you at GRS - especially the French cut setting (I think that's what it is called.) You taught it at GRS maybe a couple of years ago. Thank you again for your explanation regarding how the finish is created with the liner gravers, as well as educating me about the Italian word, "bulino." I appreciate you taking the time to explain all of this. Best wishes for the New Year - about to be here!
Diane

 

[bud2]

I'm a longtime jeweller but short on the engraving side of the industry. Another texture you may want to try is this: ie, on the side of a ring, with a knife graver, make cuts at random directions. forming smallish, enclosed spaces. It will look like alligator skin or tree bark. Now use your liner to shade - also in different directions. I've used this on a number of rings and really like it. Sorry no pics. Happy New Years. Bud

 

[diane b]

Dear Bud,
This sounds interesting - alligator skin! I appreciate you taking the time to write this suggestion. Thank you.
Diane B