Hi. I have done a good deal of scrimshaw over the years, and I've taken some engraving lessons, read posts on this forum, as well as watched Sam's Bulino DVD. But I have only recently attempted to do an image on metal. The technique I used was purely dot scrimshaw, which figured would not yield the result I wanted. But I tried it despite that knowledge hoping against hope that if I did fine enough dots it might work. It didn't. Pics are attached of the work in progress (an image of John Wayne from The Shootist), which I probably won't finish now because it's not turning out. Viewed from some directions the image is visible (I applied Rustoleum), and from other directions it's not visible at all, at least not in a way that is at all appealing. In the bottom right corner of the jacket I tried some Bulino by making pricks and lifting a bit of metal out using a 70 degree graver. But after applying a bit of Rustoleum I don't tend to be able to see that small area any better unless viewed at a particular angle. I've got to get my DVD player going and watch Sam's video again. But I'm curious if I should expect a different result with the graver making small pricks. Or is viewing angle something that is always an issue?