a friend and i got a chunk of 416 stainless and made some rings to engrave. i,m still in the practice / experiment stage. i was highly inspired by chris malouf,s rings. i can,t wait to see the 629 he,s working on. one is relieved slightly and mat backgrounded. another has a lined background. but no shading yet and the other is with initials that i did for my bud . need some good info on blackening background that won,t come off. john pilk