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what sort of wax or other material did mr. dimas use in the recent video that was posted ? curious to give the stuff a try.
 

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Hi Monk,
Dimas is using sealing wax, the same used with seal rings.
The red square bars that you can see in the video are commercial ones.
The other, the yellow one, he said that was prepared by someone for him but it is the same material.
Jewelers in Spain traditionally use "lacre" (sealing wax) to fix the pieces to the wooden stick you can see in the video. After doing the job you can release the object from the sealing was breaking it and/or using heat and then dissolve the the remaining traces with alcohol or acetone, a fifty-fifty mix of both or gasoline.
 

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I must say that you are wrong. Monk answered about the material Dimas use in the video and it certainly is not dopping cement or dopping wax.
Although both materials may look similar, they are different.
Dimas is using sealing wax for sure.
 
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what sort of wax or other material did mr. dimas use in the recent video that was posted ? curious to give the stuff a try.
If you are referring to the video that I shared where he demonstrates beginning push engraving, he mentions that the red sticks are letter sealing wax by Pelikan (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pelikan-lacre-/183774722456). The yellow material that he is using on the peg for his demonstration is one that is made for him. He mentions that something like it would be hard to find. I'll message him through his channel and ask if he can give more details, then update you here.
 
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ok thanks folks. i'm willing and eager to give that a try
If you are referring to the video that I shared where he demonstrates beginning push engraving, he mentions that the red sticks are letter sealing wax by Pelikan (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pelikan-lacre-/183774722456). The yellow material that he is using on the peg for his demonstration is one that is made for him. He mentions that something like it would be hard to find. I'll message him through his channel and ask if he can give more details, then update you here.
absoluutely thank you for doing this.
 

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Problem with the use of commercial sealing wax to fix things is that it is very brittle.
To solve this problem you must make your own sealing wax adding a bit of fat to the formula. The fat will do the trick making the preparation more flexible but still strong enough to fix the pieces very well.

Hola Mónica. Te cuento que Dimas es el administrador del foro "Grabadores Artesanos del buril" https://grabadoresconburil.mforos.com/, su sitio web http://www.dimassm.es/ y también, además de su canal de YouTube que ya conoces, tiene "El blog de Dimas Sánchez" http://dimas.over-blog.es/

Se ha hablado mucho del lacre en el foro, publicado fórmulas, etc. etc.
Estoy especulando con que hablas castellano, si no es así... disculpas!
Saludos desde Argentina. Leonardo
 
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Problem with the use of commercial sealing wax to fix things is that it is very brittle.
To solve this problem you must make your own sealing wax adding a bit of fat to the formula. The fat will do the trick making the preparation more flexible but still strong enough to fix the pieces very well.

Hola Mónica. Te cuento que Dimas es el administrador del foro "Grabadores Artesanos del buril" https://grabadoresconburil.mforos.com/, su sitio web http://www.dimassm.es/ y también, además de su canal de YouTube que ya conoces, tiene "El blog de Dimas Sánchez" http://dimas.over-blog.es/

Se ha hablado mucho del lacre en el foro, publicado fórmulas, etc. etc.
Estoy especulando con que hablas castellano, si no es así... disculpas!
Saludos desde Argentina. Leonardo
you mentioned fat. would olive oil work ?
 
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Problem with the use of commercial sealing wax to fix things is that it is very brittle.
To solve this problem you must make your own sealing wax adding a bit of fat to the formula. The fat will do the trick making the preparation more flexible but still strong enough to fix the pieces very well.

Hola Mónica. Te cuento que Dimas es el administrador del foro "Grabadores Artesanos del buril" https://grabadoresconburil.mforos.com/, su sitio web http://www.dimassm.es/ y también, además de su canal de YouTube que ya conoces, tiene "El blog de Dimas Sánchez" http://dimas.over-blog.es/

Se ha hablado mucho del lacre en el foro, publicado fórmulas, etc. etc.
Estoy especulando con que hablas castellano, si no es así... disculpas!
Saludos desde Argentina. Leonardo
Hola Leonardo, Muchas gracias por la informacion. Soy nacida en Los Estados Unidos. Mis padres son de Mexico. Hablo y escribo en Español, pero no perfectamente.

Agradesco mucho la informacion sobre Dimas. Espero aprender mucho dentro del blog y otras paginas.

Saludos desde Los Angeles.
 

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Monk, I do not know if olive oil may work. In the recipes they mentioned animal fat. Unfortunately my English language is not good enough to assure you the exact name... cow fat?
If I would will try to reproduce some of these recipes here in Argentina I would use cow fat.
 

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Hola Mónica, de nada. Ha sido un gusto poder brindarte esa información.
Te aseguro que tu Español es muy bueno... ya veras los horrores que esciben en el foro de Grabadores Artesanos algunos hablantes nativos! :)

Yo viví en España 16 años y he regresado a la Argentina hace tres. No conocí a Dimas personalmente pero hablé con el por teléfono una o dos veces. Una persona realmente encantadora.

Es una buena oportunidad para que practiques tu lenguage materno en un entorno de tu interés. Que lindo!

Bueno, si puedo serte útil en algo más escribe cuando quieras.

Cordiales saludos,
Leonardo
 

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Monk, I found a video by Sebastian Lopez showing two recipes to make sealing wax:

The title "Como preparar lacre" would be How to make sealing wax, but with the purpose of using it to fix objects in engraving, so he is adding fat to the recipes.

Hope this helps a bit more.
 

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Monk, I do not know if olive oil may work. In the recipes they mentioned animal fat. Unfortunately my English language is not good enough to assure you the exact name... cow fat?
If I would will try to reproduce some of these recipes here in Argentina I would use cow fat.
leonardo: i believe the cow fat would translate to beef tallow. i've seen that reference many times for different transfer waxes.
 

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Monk, I found a video by Sebastian Lopez showing two recipes to make sealing wax:

The title "Como preparar lacre" would be How to make sealing wax, but with the purpose of using it to fix objects in engraving, so he is adding fat to the recipes.

Hope this helps a bit more.
thank you, sir. i began looking at the videos you had links to. i saw that one and am going to give it a try. nothing ventured, nothing gained. the videos by sebastian are well worth watching. espacially to people wanting to learn the art. the videos speak louder than words, as no real translation is needed. one would learn just by looking.
 

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You are welcome Monk. Thanks for the suggested translation.

As for the recipes I think that the following translations may work:
Recipe #1,
1 kg (2.2 lb) of rosin (colophony)
1 kg (2.2 lb) of chalk or industrial talc
a bit of beef tallow

Recipe # 2, the better one.
1 kg (2.2 lb) of rosin (colophony)
300 g (0.66 lb) of beeswax
800 g (1.76 lb) of red ferrite (iron oxide compound)
a bit of beef tallow

The purpose of the fat is to make the sealing wax more flexible so you should add more fat if the test with the newspaper fails.

I am sure you will have great success making your own sealing wax!
 
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Whether or not, I don't know, but 'animal fat' may be translated to 'tallow', which may translate to 'lanolin'. Sometime, machine shops use food grade lanolin to keep their gauges from rusting, and the tool catalogs used to carry the stuff that was dispensed in small toothpaste-type tubes. As costs, today, might be too high for a singular item, ask around and maybe someone might give you just a little that you could formulate for your needs. I've never mixed any with sealing wax like we used in high school print shop, but maybe it'll work!
 
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