Mantis Elite 'scope Experience?

[Crossbolt]

Hello,
I came across an interesting microscope n one of Malcolm Appleby's Instagram posts. It appears to be a Mantis Elite which seems to use a digital display rather than traditional eyepieces. Has anyone had any experience with this piece of equipment?
Jeremy

 

[Leonardo]

Jeremy,
Stereoscopic vision is based in two points of view so you must see with both of your eyes to have a sense of depth.
Nothing else will work like this.
You will see a flat image on a screen what it is really bad for engraving.
This kind of microscope/loupes are intended for inspection or observation work in which the sense of depth is less important.

 

[Crossbolt]

Jeremy,
Stereoscopic vision is based in two points of view so you must see with both of your eyes to have a sense of depth.
Nothing else will work like this.
You will see a flat image on a screen what it is really bad for engraving.
This kind of microscope/loupes are intended for inspection or observation work in which the sense of depth is less important.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
Jeremy

 

[Crossbolt]

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
Jeremy

Thinking about it more though don't most (all?) microscopes have only a single objective lens so there's no real depth anyway?

Jeremy

 

[Leonardo]

Oh, yes Jeremy. But it is not perfectly correct and there is an explanation to this.
There are monocular microscopes and stereo microscopes. The first ones are used to see microscopic things with lenses that work almost in contact with the object that you are studding. Actually there are objective lenses that work submersed in oil (100X, by 10X or even 30X from the ocular lens will give you 1000X or 3000X of magnification). Anyway I think that almost all modern microscopes are stereo. This powerful optic microscope (there are electronic too) are use in scientific laboratories.
For engraving purpose you do not need that magnification levels, what we call microscopes are actually stereo loupes with a power of 10X to 40X or so counting that you use 10X ocular lenses.
Hope this helps a bit.

 

[Leonardo]

By the way, this is a huge sub-world so I just told you almost anything about it.
If you are interested in knowing more about this do a search in the www looking for microscope types... You will be amazed for sure.

 

[Grayson]

A compound microscope may have two eyepieces (binocular), but it has a single objective lens; both eyes receive an identical image. A stereo (dissecting) microscope always has two eyepieces that produce two slightly different images. That may be achieved either by two separate objective lenses (B&L, for example) or by sending two different light paths through a single, broad objective lens (Wild, for example). Compound scopes are best for viewing flat, thin slices of material (microscope slides), and stereo scopes are best for viewing 3-D objects and manipulating them manually.

 

[monk]

a few years back, i was blessed to have experienced the davinci surgical scope system. totally unbelievable experience. i asked what it would take to own the basic model. a cool million shipped to my door !! since age 13, i have used many of the best scopes money could buy. needless to say the davinci was better than all the rest put together. go fund me page ?? nah

 

[Leonardo]

Jeremy, I was investigating and reading some articles about the microscope you mentioned and must say that I was not aware of that kind of microscope.

When I read "digital display" in your first post I I thought that a screen cannot reproduce a 3D view and wrote my comments about... BUT, after investigating a bit I realize that the Mantis Elite microscope is an optical one and also that it does not have a digital screen.

I was not able to find detailed information about this but, if I understood well, what this microscope has is some kind of optical window that let you see both optical path. You can even adjust the interpupillary distance what is necessary in optical microscopes but not when you are watching to a screen.

Sooo, I want to apologize if I confused you with my comments. Perhaps this microscope deserves an opportunity to count it as an other option for engraving purpose... I really do not know what to say about it because I never had the chance to see one.

The good thing is that now I know something that I was tot aware before!

 

[Adder]

There is a "review" on youtube, But I will think you have to compare Scopes With your own eyes. Maybe a little bit short working distance on that microscope.......

Jørn-Ove

 

[Crossbolt]

Jeremy, I was investigating and reading some articles about the microscope you mentioned and must say that I was not aware of that kind of microscope.

When I read "digital display" in your first post I I thought that a screen cannot reproduce a 3D view and wrote my comments about... BUT, after investigating a bit I realize that the Mantis Elite microscope is an optical one and also that it does not have a digital screen.

I was not able to find detailed information about this but, if I understood well, what this microscope has is some kind of optical window that let you see both optical path. You can even adjust the interpupillary distance what is necessary in optical microscopes but not when you are watching to a screen.

Sooo, I want to apologize if I confused you with my comments. Perhaps this microscope deserves an opportunity to count it as an other option for engraving purpose... I really do not know what to say about it because I never had the chance to see one.

The good thing is that now I know something that I was tot aware before!

No apology needed at all. Thanks for passing on your informed opinion after looking into it. Very interesting.
Jeremy

 

[Takoyaki]

Hi there!

Here in Japan is a used one in yahoo auction:

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v629848261

¥15,000 ~ about $135 at the moment!

The scope I dunno, but..
the arm seams not really suitable for engraving !
I think!

Greetings
Tako

PS.
Translation of the discription:
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It is the production of Vision Engineering's binocular stereomicroscope Mantis.

Vision Engineering Co., Ltd. is a unique eye piece-less optical system that allows you to observe comfortably for a long time without being tired because it is imaged in a position far away from the face without "peer".
It has another optical system with the right eye and left eye, and it looks three-dimensional neatly. (It is not simply projected on the screen.)

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It comes with a 2x and 4x objective lens with variable magnification.
In the current model, I think that it is the equivalent of the Manati Street.

Please also refer to the following site.

Http://www.visioneng.jp/products/stereo-microscopes/mantis-elite-ergonomic-3d

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[Karin]

So has anyone actually used one of these since this discussion? I am looking at getting one due to eye issues that prevent me from being able to use a traditional scope, and my CraftOptics are just not sufficient. Unfortunately they do not have a demo site anywhere near me. My main concerns are working distance (which seems to be not too far off a Leica with their extended range lenses) and stability. TIA for any info anyone has.