jerrywh
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I told my wife I didn't want some other SOB getting my stuff. Then she said what makes you think I will marry another SOB?!!!!
What happens to your stuff when you die?
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Don't leave a bunch of junk around that your kids will have to dispose of when you die. My stepdad was of the depression era and never threw anything away and also had 2 or 3 of everything just in case he ever needed it. We were overwhelmed. My brother brought his backhoe over to the farm and we dug a 10' x 20' x10' hole out back and threw everything in the hole. Then we drug all the old outbuildings and put them on top, lit it off, and reduced everything to ashes. It just wasn't worth the hassle to try and sell everything off.
Jim Disbrow
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Brian,
What's your email address? I cannot seem to get a response from you using the Cafés' links. During your confabulation, you mentioned some things you might sell. I have a couple of questions about some of them.
thanks,
Jim Disbrow
What's your email address? I cannot seem to get a response from you using the Cafés' links. During your confabulation, you mentioned some things you might sell. I have a couple of questions about some of them.
thanks,
Jim Disbrow
Brian Marshall
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Does anyone on here know whether FEGA has any plans for or a place to keep and preserve or display donated samples of work, tools, documents or images?
I've never heard of such a thing existing... maybe someone might wanna bring it up at next years membership meeting?
Along with the qualifications that such things must meet in order to be included in a collection or historical display of that sort?
Otherwise they might have to be hiring a backhoe to dig one of those 10 x 10 x 20 foot holes like Dave mentioned above...
Now that FEGA is no longer limited to "firearms engravers" or "of America" - there could be some extremely interesting artifacts looking for a home.
Brian
I've never heard of such a thing existing... maybe someone might wanna bring it up at next years membership meeting?
Along with the qualifications that such things must meet in order to be included in a collection or historical display of that sort?
Otherwise they might have to be hiring a backhoe to dig one of those 10 x 10 x 20 foot holes like Dave mentioned above...
Now that FEGA is no longer limited to "firearms engravers" or "of America" - there could be some extremely interesting artifacts looking for a home.
Brian
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RDP
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Brian, that idea has been discussed many times. The main bugaboo is a location and cost of upkeep (which could be considerable and constant). What I was referring to is to donate items FEGA can sell such as tools and books and thus have more funds for shows and such.
diandwill
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There are people, and companies, that specialize in a variety of 'estate sales'. They will come in and organize, then sell, for a percentage, OR they may buy the estate outright, paying up front.
Before you just burn it, check out the options.
Before you just burn it, check out the options.
Brian Marshall
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OK Sam,
Here's an idea for the start of that dream... and perhaps a couple others? I know it'll never happen as I wrote the script, but maybe some variation of it might have a teeny tiny chance of seeding a better one?
Take a poll or use a computer to generate the state or narrow down a location with the highest concentration engravers over say 40 years of age. Narrow it further by finding those who have made it a lifetime commitment. The unredeemable addicts so to speak. Find some volunteers to cover transition times. Definitions to follow.
Find a property that would work and that's undervalued in the area with the highest concentration of engravers. For example: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...ers-are-making-a-killing/ss-BBmzYjL?ocid=iehp I'm sure that there are plenty of other real estate listing "monitors" out there with more varied information.
If the property qualifies for at least a 50% uptick in the resale market, put a down payment on it. Do whatever is needed to get it classified as non-profit for taxes and such. Insure it. It is now an investment that should at the very least hold it's value.
If it needs work, put out a call for some summer volunteers. Carpenters, sheetrockers, electricians, plumbers, painters and the like. We have guys on here and members of FEGA who are qualified. (depending on the code inspectors in the area chosen) Make it more like a week long working vacation - unpaid of course. There ARE people on here who can afford to donate a little time and labor. Maybe bring their own tools too...
Equip one room as a nice shop for a professional engraver. That can come from donations. That person would live and work there for a year. Keeping what he/she makes as income and not paying rent. But doing the duties of a "caretaker" in return.
Equip another bench in the same room for an apprentice. This is how the professional will "pay" for the free rent. Teaching as he/she works.
Refine the FEGA scholarships to 3 or 6 months in residence under the professional engraver/caretaker... rotate the winners.
The nearby (volunteer) engravers drafted to the transition team would check on the property, keep an eye on things until it is ready for the first resident engraver and his/her apprentice. And possibly for a week or two when a yearly cycle ends and a new one begins.
Sure it will cost some for maintenance and taxes/insurance when it's up and running, but the residents can both donate a couple hours a day to the museum or display aspect. If you are lucky and one or both are "handy" they may do some lightweight repairs and maintenance.
A LOT will depend on the quality of the humans who volunteer for the various unpaid positions - but it IS possible, at least in my mind - to benefit a wide range of future engravers.
And then you would have a repository for rare books, tools, articles written, images, and could "charge" the users of these resources a coupla hours payment in kind. More volunteer hours... or donations of "stuff" to sell?
See where I am going with this? Anyone else want to chime in with possibilities? (Not a list of problems. If you start with a list of problems or "issues" as they are now disguised as in Newspeak - nothing will ever start. Or "resonate" for that matter...)
Brian
And just to add a little more to the pot, if the building were ample enough - there might be space for roving teachers to come and do workshops or classes... Speaking for myself, I wouldn't mind doing one at no cost for a worthy purpose... and with enough donations over a few years, the place could be very well equipped.
Here's an idea for the start of that dream... and perhaps a couple others? I know it'll never happen as I wrote the script, but maybe some variation of it might have a teeny tiny chance of seeding a better one?
Take a poll or use a computer to generate the state or narrow down a location with the highest concentration engravers over say 40 years of age. Narrow it further by finding those who have made it a lifetime commitment. The unredeemable addicts so to speak. Find some volunteers to cover transition times. Definitions to follow.
Find a property that would work and that's undervalued in the area with the highest concentration of engravers. For example: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...ers-are-making-a-killing/ss-BBmzYjL?ocid=iehp I'm sure that there are plenty of other real estate listing "monitors" out there with more varied information.
If the property qualifies for at least a 50% uptick in the resale market, put a down payment on it. Do whatever is needed to get it classified as non-profit for taxes and such. Insure it. It is now an investment that should at the very least hold it's value.
If it needs work, put out a call for some summer volunteers. Carpenters, sheetrockers, electricians, plumbers, painters and the like. We have guys on here and members of FEGA who are qualified. (depending on the code inspectors in the area chosen) Make it more like a week long working vacation - unpaid of course. There ARE people on here who can afford to donate a little time and labor. Maybe bring their own tools too...
Equip one room as a nice shop for a professional engraver. That can come from donations. That person would live and work there for a year. Keeping what he/she makes as income and not paying rent. But doing the duties of a "caretaker" in return.
Equip another bench in the same room for an apprentice. This is how the professional will "pay" for the free rent. Teaching as he/she works.
Refine the FEGA scholarships to 3 or 6 months in residence under the professional engraver/caretaker... rotate the winners.
The nearby (volunteer) engravers drafted to the transition team would check on the property, keep an eye on things until it is ready for the first resident engraver and his/her apprentice. And possibly for a week or two when a yearly cycle ends and a new one begins.
Sure it will cost some for maintenance and taxes/insurance when it's up and running, but the residents can both donate a couple hours a day to the museum or display aspect. If you are lucky and one or both are "handy" they may do some lightweight repairs and maintenance.
A LOT will depend on the quality of the humans who volunteer for the various unpaid positions - but it IS possible, at least in my mind - to benefit a wide range of future engravers.
And then you would have a repository for rare books, tools, articles written, images, and could "charge" the users of these resources a coupla hours payment in kind. More volunteer hours... or donations of "stuff" to sell?
See where I am going with this? Anyone else want to chime in with possibilities? (Not a list of problems. If you start with a list of problems or "issues" as they are now disguised as in Newspeak - nothing will ever start. Or "resonate" for that matter...)
Brian
And just to add a little more to the pot, if the building were ample enough - there might be space for roving teachers to come and do workshops or classes... Speaking for myself, I wouldn't mind doing one at no cost for a worthy purpose... and with enough donations over a few years, the place could be very well equipped.
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Barry Lee Hands
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I dont think i will have time to worry about my tools when I am dead.
Disposal of my tools will be the delayed vengeance I'll reek upon my children for all the times they screamed in restaurants. All those times they wrote on the walls in crayon, all those times they cried and dug their wee fingers beneath the bathroom door when I wanted only a moment's peace to conduct my "business." Deal with it, kiddos! 
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Well Brian...I rest my case! You are right Barry, there are times when "better late than never" just does not work!
I thinking of doing something before I'm gone,I may have problems with my eyes,hands and not be able to engrave any more ever think about selling off your tools or offing them to students or friends? J.J.
I worked for 30-35 years with some equipment I made myself and tools I bought as I could early on. (Necessity is the mother of invention) Over the years, I wished I had way nicer and better tools. So, when I finally was able to swap out a bunch of tools, I did. After the doctor-inflicted (iatrogenic) health problems I have, the tools will never get the wear and tear they should be getting. None of my relatives and nobody I know for hundreds of miles in all directions would know what they are used for let alone be able to use them.
So, I suppose they will get sold cheaply or tossed... I don't know. I guess they (my heirs) can just deal with it.
So, I suppose they will get sold cheaply or tossed... I don't know. I guess they (my heirs) can just deal with it.
Brian Marshall
~ Elite 1000 Member ~
Thought a little provocation might start sumthin'? Guess not. So be it.
Yeah, JJ - that's how it's gonna be. Sell what you can, take that vacation you've always dreamed off with the money. There is no real interest in making an effort to see that it would benefit some of the younger ones or serious newbies. Even the old codgers might be entertained by some of the memories from handling antique tools or looking through images or articles on old friends back in their younger days...
Leave what's left to students or friends. Be interesting to see how many will actually take the time and effort to come and get the little parcels of blood sweat & tears... Probably just be an inconvenient interruption in their lives, some "issues" with traveling/packing/shipping - and getting more "stuff" won't "resonate" well with the significant other either.
Not worth as much to others as to those of us who were too broke to buy a first class lathe for instance, and spent weeks sweating out in the hot sun hand scraping the ways, repainting and rebuilding an older and usually better made one...
I've collected all this "stuff" over 40+ years... gathered it all together under one roof so to speak. From all over the planet. Maintained it, repaired it and completely rebuilt some of it. I guess it's time to start scattering it all over the world again?
In the end it has very little value to anyone else. Just "stuff"... that we get up every morning and use - until we can't anymore...
Brian
One third of whose "stuff" is gonna be appearing in the Buy/Sell section of the forum beginning in December.
Yeah, JJ - that's how it's gonna be. Sell what you can, take that vacation you've always dreamed off with the money. There is no real interest in making an effort to see that it would benefit some of the younger ones or serious newbies. Even the old codgers might be entertained by some of the memories from handling antique tools or looking through images or articles on old friends back in their younger days...
Leave what's left to students or friends. Be interesting to see how many will actually take the time and effort to come and get the little parcels of blood sweat & tears... Probably just be an inconvenient interruption in their lives, some "issues" with traveling/packing/shipping - and getting more "stuff" won't "resonate" well with the significant other either.
Not worth as much to others as to those of us who were too broke to buy a first class lathe for instance, and spent weeks sweating out in the hot sun hand scraping the ways, repainting and rebuilding an older and usually better made one...
I've collected all this "stuff" over 40+ years... gathered it all together under one roof so to speak. From all over the planet. Maintained it, repaired it and completely rebuilt some of it. I guess it's time to start scattering it all over the world again?
In the end it has very little value to anyone else. Just "stuff"... that we get up every morning and use - until we can't anymore...
Brian
One third of whose "stuff" is gonna be appearing in the Buy/Sell section of the forum beginning in December.
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diandwill
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Maybe find a younger person with an expressed interest and offer a package...6 months in-house training and, if he/she learns the ropes, your tools at half price, and a contract paying you back, including 'blue sky' for the business that you transfer to him/her. There would have to be a really strict contract, but you could get paid, over time, for the tools, the business, and know that someone is carrying it on.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
atexascowboy2011
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Provocation- To provoke, bait, entice.
Not today !
Not today !
Brian Marshall
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Will,
I've kinda tried that already... 3 times in fact. Never came together... seems people would rather do it the hard way on their own than save 40+ years?
Gonna be best just to sell some off first. Leave the rest to those who don't have "issues" with coming to get it, pack it and haul or ship it.
Brian
I've kinda tried that already... 3 times in fact. Never came together... seems people would rather do it the hard way on their own than save 40+ years?
Gonna be best just to sell some off first. Leave the rest to those who don't have "issues" with coming to get it, pack it and haul or ship it.
Brian
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atexascowboy2011
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I know where you're coming from, Brain.
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Recently I tried buying an engraver's ball that I THOUGHT would be the cat's meow, BUT the seller refused to get someone to help him ship it, thinking that I should drive 1,200 miles ONE-WAY to pick it up! I even offered to send a shipping container so all he had to do was get his friend, of which I would have paid to place the vise in the container, but apparently even this was too much to ask.
Things worked out for the best as a vise that I had ordered months before finally arrived and turned out to be a work of art, exceeding my expectations.
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Recently I tried buying an engraver's ball that I THOUGHT would be the cat's meow, BUT the seller refused to get someone to help him ship it, thinking that I should drive 1,200 miles ONE-WAY to pick it up! I even offered to send a shipping container so all he had to do was get his friend, of which I would have paid to place the vise in the container, but apparently even this was too much to ask.
Things worked out for the best as a vise that I had ordered months before finally arrived and turned out to be a work of art, exceeding my expectations.
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