Wanting to try engraving - What is all needed..??

[BlueberryBob_T]

I am looking to do this particular style of engraving shown in the picture to start & then move onto finer detail... Any info on what particular types of gravers/equipment needed would be appreciated..

& thanks for your time... [video]https://youtu.be/72qDkSq_-q0[/video]
www.engraveitinc.com/uploads/3/1/8/3/3183556/7233265_orig.jpg

 

[Roger Bleile]

Start here: http://www.engraverscafe.com/showthread.php?13891-Tool-List-for-Beginners

 

[diandwill]

Start here: http://www.engraverscafe.com/showthread.php?13891-Tool-List-for-Beginners

This is a pretty good list of tools. It does look as if the background of the tank you showed was done with a flex shaft and ball burr.

The thing NOT on the list is either time or money. If you take the time and learn to engrave, you will eventually be able to do that kind of work. If you can't wait, go ahead and buy at least 100 tanks (you might need another 100 or more), because if you don't take the time to learn, you will destroy almost all of that first 100, and still might not be any closer to doing that kind of work.

You don't say where you are, but the first thing to consider is taking a 1 week class. There are quality instructors, from coast to coast. The course will run somewhere around $750/week plus expenses, if you have to travel to a different town. That might sound like a lot, but it's cheaper than shelling out a couple of grand on tools and finding out that you really don't want to put in the time or effort.

 

[monk]

not trying to be a jerk, but, if you're inspired by that, you aren't really setting your sights very high. one must start somewhere, that is good. spend a few bucks on a book showing how to design and draw scroll. learning how to control a pencil is the basis of all you will do. i say this thinking that you are serious in learning to engrave. if serious, you should begin by learning good design principles.
good luck in your pursuit.

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

The GRS 3 is foot controlled & does not require the seperate control junction box with metering/output knobs ?


That sounds like something I can handle - I also tattoo so this might work well.. Do I need the cheesy looking air filter & regulator that GRS offers ? I prefer using proven dessicant air filter & an equally comparable oil traps that i use for painting/airbrushing.... Along additional inline precautionary filters

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

The car mirror or whatever the shape is that I posted up - Is relatively simple by design to me.... Its not as complex as that found on guns/ect... But that's where I will start - doing the easier stuff & work my way into more detailed work as I progress....

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

This is a pretty good list of tools. It does look as if the background of the tank you showed was done with a flex shaft and ball burr.

The thing NOT on the list is either time or money. If you take the time and learn to engrave, you will eventually be able to do that kind of work. If you can't wait, go ahead and buy at least 100 tanks (you might need another 100 or more), because if you don't take the time to learn, you will destroy almost all of that first 100, and still might not be any closer to doing that kind of work.

You don't say where you are, but the first thing to consider is taking a 1 week class. There are quality instructors, from coast to coast. The course will run somewhere around $750/week plus expenses, if you have to travel to a different town. That might sound like a lot, but it's cheaper than shelling out a couple of grand on tools and finding out that you really don't want to put in the time or effort.

I hear you & that would be an option but unfortunately - I have never heard of anyone around here engraving... Its just not something popular where I'm from - That i know of.... I came across one person in Arizona but they fled to California or.something. haha

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

not trying to be a jerk, but, if you're inspired by that, you aren't really setting your sights very high. one must start somewhere, that is good. spend a few bucks on a book showing how to design and draw scroll. learning how to control a pencil is the basis of all you will do. i say this thinking that you are serious in learning to engrave. if serious, you should begin by learning good design principles.
good luck in your pursuit.

I hear you about keeping traditions alive / same with tattooing & pinstriping... But on my own car parts - I have an individual style that I am looking to achieve that steps outside traditional values..... I get where you're coming from,, however the cheesy 1 dimension stuff is the bee's knees in automotive applications you could say....... But I would like to ease into intricate design as I progress.

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

Looks as if GRS is in Emporia Kansas.... I've been thru there a few times... Also provide a 5 day program. Hmm

 

[diandwill]

http://www.engravingclasses.com/

A short list of people teaching. There are many more. Some closer to you than Kansas.

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

https://youtu.be/72qDkSq_-q0


This is what I am looking to do.. None of the suggested equipment appears to be what this guy uses... I'm looking for deep grooves / not intricate work as seen on knives/guns.....

Does anyone know what hand piece this is? Will a magnagraver / GRS 3 / Graversmith or equivalent graver don't this task ??

 

[Brian Marshall]

That's an older GRS handpiece. They don't make them anymore, but they come up for sale once in a while. Last forever....

I myself just sold off about 3 of them, and there may yet be another out in the classroom. It's midnight here, I'll go look tomorrow.


While it could be run with a GRS Gravermeister, GraverMax - or the newer Graversmith & GraverMach - my bet is that it's being powered by a Max, since those handpieces were from that era...


Brian


When I was younger I could remember anything, whether it happened or not. Mark Twain

 

[Thierry Duguet]

I hear you about keeping traditions alive / same with tattooing & pinstriping... But on my own car parts - I have an individual style that I am looking to achieve that steps outside traditional values..... I get where you're coming from,, however the cheesy 1 dimension stuff is the bee's knees in automotive applications you could say....... But I would like to ease into intricate design as I progress.

It always amuse or annoy me when I read that type of posting "step outside traditional value". What do you think that Picasso start by being a cubist painter, that Van Gogh start by being an impressionist as did Renoir. What all this painter have in common is not the style for which they are known but the roots of their knowledge which was classical, because they knew the basic they were able to go beyond it, their goal was not to be different, they became novators in order to satisfy their progressively evolving vision. Should you want to be as innovative as the above mentioned artist follow their path and look at what the did achieve by doing so.
BTW, it is always the people the least able to attain the most basic level of expertise who want to forgo learning.

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

Honestly ,,, Someone could pick up an engraver tonight & be better than you tomorrow -- even if you've done it for decades......

* If you asked me about painting a car / As I do as one of the worlds best - I would tell you exactly what you needed without the run around...... Why ?? Because I am an artist

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

Its funny to see the replies & not many have answered a simple question....... I can see now that this industry is just like the tattoo industry with old school tattooist not doing apprenticeships... Well ,, the industry is now bigger and better than ever because the once railroaded upcoming unique talent - found their own path around them roadblocks.....

 

[BlueberryBob_T]

A moderator can delete my threads - I'll keep poking around the forums until I find real answers... Thanks

 

[oiseau metal arts]

Its funny to see the replies & not many have answered a simple question....... I can see now that this industry is just like the tattoo industry with old school tattooist not doing apprenticeships... Well ,, the industry is now bigger and better than ever because the once railroaded upcoming unique talent - found their own path around them roadblocks.....

your question was answered! the first reply you got.
http://www.engraverscafe.com/showthread.php?13891-Tool-List-for-Beginners
but here you go... buy this and youll be pro engraver in two weeks tops with the best set up.

BETTER POWER ASSIST STARTUP

Sketch pad & pencils
Basic system by GRS, Lindsay, or Enset (see their websites for basic models and prices)
Air compressor
2 square graver blanks
#40 flat graver
Rotating engraver's vise
Sharpening system or templates
Copper, steel, and brass practice plates
Stereo microscope w/ring light

but you seem to have mind set on the system 3 using your own much better regulators/filter, so get that and itll save you lots of $$

 

[sam]

Its funny to see the replies & not many have answered a simple question....... I can see now that this industry is just like the tattoo industry with old school tattooist not doing apprenticeships... Well ,, the industry is now bigger and better than ever because the once railroaded upcoming unique talent - found their own path around them roadblocks.....

Bob: There are no roadblocks here and this forum and its members have done more to inspire and help more beginners than you can ever imagine. Never in the history of hand engraving has there been a single place where information has been so freely shared than The Engraver's Cafe.

Thierry gave you proper advice whether you like the advice or not. There are some basics you're going to have to learn and there are no shortcuts so you might as well prepare yourself for the steep learning curve ahead.

I will attempt to answer your question: As Brian pointed out, the handpiece in the video is a dinosaur made by GRS that works on all of their machines except the Gravermeister. I don't believe there was a Gravermeister version of that one, but I could be mistaken. That said, you could get an older GRS machine such as a Gravermax or Graversmith or GraverMate, find one of those handpieces, and you'll be off and running (after you learn to sharpen and engrave). It's possible GRS might have one in stock. If not, you'll find one if you beat the bushes. An old GRS 710 handpiece might work just as well but I'm not certain how it compares power-wise to the handpiece in the video.

The System 3 might work, but you'll not often see me recommend that because I simply don't like them and think the money would be better spent investing in one of the systems I mentioned above.

 

[Brian Marshall]

"<Honestly ,,, Someone could pick up an engraver tonight & be better than you tomorrow -- even if you've done it for decades......">


I have found the exact handpiece used in the video.

Precisely because I HAVE done it for decades...

I will sell it.


I would advise you not to make another stupid statement that you cannot back up beforehand - or it will be better off staying in the drawer I found it in.

And yes, there are still "apprentices". I currently have two. You don't sound like a good candidate - so far?


Very few true "artists" I have ever known go around bragging on themselves. (actually none of them do, come to think of it)

Don't need to. They leave that to their patrons & clients to decide...


Brian


Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today. - Mark Twain

 

[Weldon47]

"Honestly ,,, Someone could pick up an engraver tonight & be better than you tomorrow -- even if you've done it for decades...... "

Are you talkin to me? Ha ha…I didn't think so

WL