Question: Andu Engraver

oniemarc

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Steve's patent pending on the fractal vise is undecided. He may or may not get a patent. His design offers a new solution to some old problems. I will repeat this part, "new solution to some old problems." That is the essence of patent law. If you think the original vise stands on its own as the perfect solution to all users, then find one, copy it, and sell them. For Steve's vise, the USPTO will decide if it is enough to be protected.

As far as Steve's Classic foot pedal engraver, I am not aware of the full extent of the patent expiration. He does have a patent on the Palm Control, and depending on how that patent is written, it may cover the Classic tool with an additional period of coverage. That is common in patent law to extend the patent coverage of an original invention by patenting new innovations that are part of/attached to the original device. You would need a lawyer to help you decipher the exact overlap, but I suspect the Palm Control patent afford Steve some additional protection. Probably total protection. This is the downside to USPTO. Sometimes you need a lawyer and a court to decide the full extent of a patent coverage.

If you want to copy Steve's Classic tool, make enough changes to the design and use a foot control off the shelf. You might be okay. If you want to copy Steve's Classic tool with a palm control, even with changes you may be in violation of a patent.

If you want to play, you need to put skin in the game. That is why I never go on Ganoksin anymore. Too many people want something for nothing.
Obviously I have no desire to copy or produce any engraving tools. I find it hard enough to learn how to engrave, hahahah. This is indeed a rather good explanation. The name is protected too right? Aswell as airgraver, artgraver and some other products he makes. Which I think makes the most sense, as even when a patent expires, nobody can use said name.

Thank you for taking the time to give a clear explanation. As I am not an American, nor native english speaker, sometimes it can be hard to read these rather technical issues. In person, a conversation is completely different than a written one. Again, thank you for taking the time and effort, it is much appreciated.
 

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The name is protected too right?
I assume that Steve has trademarks on many of his product names. Trademarks are separated from patents, but administered by the USPTO as well, at the federal level. There are state level trademarks as well.
As I recall, trademarks last as long as they are being used. It could be an interesting question whether Lindsey has a state level or federal level trademark on Palm Control? I have no specific knowledge, but a federal trademark on Palm Control may be difficult to get/enforce since many industries have used palm control systems.
 

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Its a patent violation of the airgraver. Its also not very well built and wont last. Its not worth the bother. My uncles friend bought one but rarely used it. I looked at it and fired it up and it was horrible.
It was the 1st one I bought. I GAVE IT AWAY To a guy just starting out. They have almost no resale value. That's one thing you can't say about a Lindsey. I've owned 5 or 6 in my time and have run into health issues where I needed some serious cash immediately. Everyone except 1 sold for the same amount I'd bought it for years earlier. Not a penny less. Reason being the buyers knew it was an excellent piece of equipment and thought there are always the few who are gonna say ." How can you ask that much for a used tool. I can buy a brand new one for the exact same amount" I simply replied to go ahead and do it of you don't mind waiting 4-6 weeks maybe to get it ( palm gravers ) if you want a tool that's the same cond except possibly a small blemish somewhere shipped and in your hands in 2 days I have it. There were engravers waiting in line who paid no problem and I had that payment usually within the hour after it was posted. Sold my Goliath Tru center vice for the same I bought it for also. Name another tool your gonna do that with? I've never twisted anybody's arm ,I respect everyones right to spend their money the way they want to.
 

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I assume that Steve has trademarks on many of his product names. Trademarks are separated from patents, but administered by the USPTO as well, at the federal level. There are state level trademarks as well.
As I recall, trademarks last as long as they are being used. It could be an interesting question whether Lindsey has a state level or federal level trademark on Palm Control? I have no specific knowledge, but a federal trademark on Palm Control may be difficult to get/enforce since many industries have used palm control systems.
All anyone has to do who wants to know specifics on those details is ask Steve he's extreamly easy to talk to . I'm not sure about any of his parents being expired or not so I don't make assumptions. .I know the name palm control is trademarked this why GRS uses a different term. I accidentally called their 901 AT a GRS palm control and Steve told me about it. Very nicely. Never felt like he was jumping down my throat. I didn't know. He accepted that and now I do know lol.
 

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