Arnaud Van Tilburgh
~ Elite 1000 Member ~
Marcus, I think you translated and understood what I wrote in Dutch. I wrote it in Dutch and also used my limited English vocabulary to explain the same. But as I wanted Bram to understand, I had to use my native language.
Roger doesn’t seem to understand the meaning after he translated the Dutch, probably after reading your interpretation he does now.
Still the meaning of it seems it isn’t totally clear.
By the "sacred cows", I refer to all those who don’t have an open mind for those other point of views that don’t match with theirs. I’m not pointing at someone in particular believe me,
So “heilige huisjes” (sacred cows) are those “no doubt about it opinions” some people may have.
To give an example, The US way of scroll design is different than some European or Belgium engravers do, for instance about the amount of shading.
Now if you have a majority of people that are familiar at US scroll designs, it will be difficult for them to like something different. Especially if they stick to their “heilige huisjes”
And I understand why some people stick by their “heilige huisjes”, as it may frighten them when chaos may appear.
I must say that most of the active members here do have an open mind. However some don’t think at all and just go with the stream. They do not like changes as it will destabilise their life.
In my opinion, it is permitted to doubt about the fundamentals and structure, as it is the only way to give birth to new ideas.
Like you say, Bram’s design are sort of collage of ornaments that already where drawn before, only the way Bram did put them together makes it unique. That counts for most of the designs or any other art form. There are only a few from time to time who really come up with something new. Isn’t it because they had the courage to doubt about the fundamentals?
Yes I agree, one first has to learn those fundamentals / basics.
I remember when I had Bram’s age, it was during the 70 ties, and we discussed many sacred cows. It scared a lot of “older people” seeing their “values” where discussed.
This is something from all times and we used to have a name for it; “Generation Gap” Seems it disappeared just like the “acid rain”. Still Bram now has that age.
Roger, about native language, and using English by those who have another native language, sure that can cause conflicts especially when the words are written down.
However in my opinion, misinterpretation of what is written also occurs between people who speak the same native language. Some people just can’t read what is meant, they just read the words and they think they understand.
So I think it is wrong pointing at those who use another language then their native language if misinterpretation comes in, as we all can ask to clear it out. This also happens when two people are talking in the same native language.
arnaud
Roger doesn’t seem to understand the meaning after he translated the Dutch, probably after reading your interpretation he does now.
Still the meaning of it seems it isn’t totally clear.
By the "sacred cows", I refer to all those who don’t have an open mind for those other point of views that don’t match with theirs. I’m not pointing at someone in particular believe me,
So “heilige huisjes” (sacred cows) are those “no doubt about it opinions” some people may have.
To give an example, The US way of scroll design is different than some European or Belgium engravers do, for instance about the amount of shading.
Now if you have a majority of people that are familiar at US scroll designs, it will be difficult for them to like something different. Especially if they stick to their “heilige huisjes”
And I understand why some people stick by their “heilige huisjes”, as it may frighten them when chaos may appear.
I must say that most of the active members here do have an open mind. However some don’t think at all and just go with the stream. They do not like changes as it will destabilise their life.
In my opinion, it is permitted to doubt about the fundamentals and structure, as it is the only way to give birth to new ideas.
Like you say, Bram’s design are sort of collage of ornaments that already where drawn before, only the way Bram did put them together makes it unique. That counts for most of the designs or any other art form. There are only a few from time to time who really come up with something new. Isn’t it because they had the courage to doubt about the fundamentals?
Yes I agree, one first has to learn those fundamentals / basics.
I remember when I had Bram’s age, it was during the 70 ties, and we discussed many sacred cows. It scared a lot of “older people” seeing their “values” where discussed.
This is something from all times and we used to have a name for it; “Generation Gap” Seems it disappeared just like the “acid rain”. Still Bram now has that age.
Roger, about native language, and using English by those who have another native language, sure that can cause conflicts especially when the words are written down.
However in my opinion, misinterpretation of what is written also occurs between people who speak the same native language. Some people just can’t read what is meant, they just read the words and they think they understand.
So I think it is wrong pointing at those who use another language then their native language if misinterpretation comes in, as we all can ask to clear it out. This also happens when two people are talking in the same native language.
arnaud
